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Janet in Monroe, Connecticut

My husband and I are renting a condo that leaked water during the winter when the snow became too heavy for the roof. One entire room’s ceiling is covered in mold and water stains. Since then my husband and I have experienced the follow health issues that we have never had before:

  • severe allergies
  • headaches
  • vomitting for no reason
  • nausea
  • kidney problems (hospitalized for)
  • dizziness
  • fatigue
  • insomnia
  • muscle pains

Other strange things that we are learning can be due to the mold problem:

  • two of our pets were just dead one day in their cage for no reason, at the same time
  • two of our cats developed a hematoma on their ears and had to have $600 surgery

This mold has been here since February. It is now July. We brought it to our landlord’s attention with pictures and all, but she still has not done anything about it. I have wracked up so many medical bills due to this, and we are both unemployed and cannot afford it. I am not sure what to do and I am getting sicker with a hematoma on my kidney which may need surgery. What can I do?

Kaayla in Surrey, British Columbia

My family (husband, two dogs and two cats) and myself had rececently move – we found a place which we thought was absolutely perfect! On an acreage in the city, gorgeous tall cedars and a creek down below. What could be more perfect for the dogs! Lo and behold, our landlord neglected to mention that he has one heck of a moisture problem in his basement and kept blaming it on the surrounding grounds. The musty smell was the first indication and the fact my husband who is diabetic was having a hard time breathing. I kept getting nosebleeds. This was all within the first 3 weeks. We had a mold test done (a kit bought from Home Depot) and we had the 3 most common molds found, the black mold being the least.

We pointed out the problem to him on many occasions and my husband even went so far as to show him the whitish patches on the floor boards and joices downstairs stating this was mold and that he needs to remediate the situation. That was 3 weeks ago! He has done nothing. We are pumping out over a gallon of water per day with the dehumidifer he lent us – at least it keeps the smell at bay.

On June 30, I get the pleasure of giving my slumlord a Notice of Vacate as we bought a house and are moving in July 22! I feel absolutely sorry for the people that rent this place, nice looking on the inside, pretty surroundings but comes with a silent and harmful gift!


Patricia in Palmdale, California

I am sure I have a mold problem in my mobile home. Back in the later 1990’s we had a major water leak under the kitchen sink. I woke up to what sounded like a waterfall, traveling through the dark in ankle high water I turned on the bathroom light too discover water flowing into the vent on the floor. My kitchen, closet, bathroom, and laundry room were full of water. We cleaned it the best we could with a water vac. However, I believe the damage was already done. Inside my closet you can touch the wall close to the floor and your fingers sink into the wall. Both bathrooms have damage also just from toilet leaks and so on. Rainy season is troubling also because all windows are leaking and I have mold in the walls of all bedrooms.


IS MY HOUSE READY TO BE CONDEMNED? HOW SAFE IS IT FOR US TOO LIVE HERE? I have been told I have psorasis but I’m wondering if it is due to the mold.

Penelope in Chandler, Arizona

In 2010, I sold my Florida home and purchased a home in Chandler, AZ under an “as is” clause. I had the required inspection prior to purchase. Shortly after moving in (a couple of months), the upstairs bathroom tile cracked the length of the bathroom and I noticed some wet drywall in the garage. After six months and three plumbers later, discovered leak up in attic from upstairs shower. My symptoms grew progressively worse and have carried dx of COPD and vocal cord dysfunction. I had to leave my job in May and vacate my house and belongings at the end of May. I am still very ill and being treated by Dr McMahon in NM who follows Dr Shoemaker protocols for mold illness. Symptoms still include fatigue, severe short term memory loss and neuro-cognitive deficits, cough, breathing issues, etc. Since I have no sense of smell or taste, it is very difficult to know when I am entering public WDB. I am currently trying to find a safe place to live and get well so I can return to work.


Can a house with mold be sold “as is” as I am too sick and unable to go in and oversee any remediation? Is there any recourse against seller?

Marissa in Providence, Rhode Island

We lived in a big house and my basement had a laundry room that was right under my upstairs bathroom. I just had a new baby and I already had a one year old. The laundry was getting out of control because I was the only one doing six people’s laundry. So it piled up in the laundry room day after day. When I finally got around to it I noticed it was soaking wet and smelled like mildew. Come to find out my bathroom upstairs had a leak that we didn’t know about and caused the clothes to get wet.

We moved from that house and there was to many clothes to wash so I just bagged them up, damp and all, and left them in my new house’s basement. When I started going through them once I had the time I washed and washed them and the smell never came out. They’re such good clothes. I don’t want to throw them away but I feel like I have no other choice. There’s a lot of baby clothes that I wanted to use for my new baby as hand me downs, but with that smell not coming out I’m afraid to put them on the new baby. Please help me there has to be a way to get this prolonged smell out!


How can I get this mildew/mold smell out?
Will it be safe to use these clothes again, especially on a new baby?
Do I have to use an expensive laundry detergent to get the smell out?

Naomi in New Braunfels, Texas

My mother’s house is about 100 years old and is in bad shape. She and my niece sleep in the same room, and are constantly coughing and experiencing congestion. The symptoms don’t go away, even after doctor visits (prescriptions for cough and congestive medicines). I’m thinking mold?

Brian in Bentleyville, Pennsylvania

Hello. We just bought a home and in three weeks there was mold all around half the basement walls up to 2 foot up the walls!  The disclosure says “No” under the questions about wetness in the basement. The inspector didn’t catch any problems with it down there and the loan inspector didn’t catch it either.

When I called the realtor to take him up on the “give me a call if you guys need any help” he came over and told me what to fix and said to go to diy websites…”your a smart guy , you can do it”. Well had a wet basement company in today. $17000 and I have to rip out all the outside walls as well as a finished bathroom.

And to make this even more horrible I have been having splitting headaches and fatigue, sinus problem and nausea.  So I’m going to have to make myself sicker trying to get out the moldy stuff so that the rest of my family doesn’t get sick!

I can’t seem to get any help. Everyone wants money to help. My wife supports us because I’m on disability , so we are between a rock and a hard place. It’s a shame you can get help for a lemon car but buy a much more expensive house and it seems like no one can help, or won’t help unless it gets them money! There should be legal penalties for lying on disclosures.

Bobby in Tomball, Texas

I have been renting for 5 year. When hurricane IKE came in to Texas we were without power for days and after that we started seeing water stains everywhere and at the back door the carpet was soaking wet. The landlord did little to nothing to fix these problems so every time it rained the carpet would get wet and then there would be mold.

The door threshold was rotted so badly that for the last two year we had an infestation of roly polys or Pill bugs in the house. I’m talking 200 plus. I had to fix this problem.

Then, in the first of March of 2011, I get a call from my wife. She said the downstairs toilet is overflowing. It’s like someone turned the faucet on – there is water everywhere. Just about that time I was pulling in the driveway. Cindy runs out to get me – “You need to see this the toilet is gushing water everywhere! It’s in the bathtub and in the hall, the girls room, and the living room!” I got the shop vac out and started to clean up. Cindy called the landlord. They got there in about 10 minutes to see the damage. Soon after they insinuated that this was our fault . They called the city services to come out and check the sewer lines.

The next day the landlord had a cleaning service out to clean up the mess. They push and piled the furniture out of the way, they cut the carpet back, big fans and dehumidifiers ran for days. The girls are now up stairs sleeping in the TV room because the downstairs is a wreck. NOW the landlord is going to fixing the damage from hurricane IKE. We are getting the whole inside of the house painted to hide the water stains from IKE and new carpet all the old molded carpet is now gone. And yes we are living in this mess while this is going on. This was no quick fix – a week to get the house dried out plus weeks to get the painting done and over a week to get the carpet in. Our landlord is getting money from the insurance company but he pick the cheapest and most unreliable people to do the work. The work was taking forever and I threatened to withhold the rent money.

The thing that caused the downstairs flooding was the downstairs toilet. They replace the downstairs and upstairs toilets (1980 models).

Then, on Wednesday March 23, Cindy and Ashley went to the Doctor. On that day they both were felling bad and they both had upper respiratory problems .Cindy went in with Ashley but Cindy wouldn’t see the doctor – she said we didn’t have the money.

Now it is March 27. This is the worst day of my F-ing life. I’m working on my computer in the garage because the house is still a wreck it is late and I am going to bed now. I think it is around 3am or so and I’m going in to the bedroom. My Cindy is on the bed and she is not breathing. She is cold. I gave her mouth to mouth, I begged, I pleaded, I called 911 when they got there they call her DOA in less than a minute.

Cindy was a homemaker she loved doing that. Cindy had to stay in that house while they painted and pulled the carpet. All that dust and that mold – she lived in that environment for 30 days and now she is dead.

On June 15, 2011 I got the autopsy report back. The first thing it showed is Sepsis, the second is Pneumonia.


Is it possible my wife died because of the work being done on the house?
There was no offer from the landlord to leave while the house was under construction. Is the landlord liable for anything here? I live in Texas and I need guidance. Thank you, Bobby.

Michael in Oklahoma City

I have been addressing leaks to our apartment since Sept. 2010 along with the uprising mold colonies. The owner/management of this apartment complex has ignored our concerns with this issue. I contacted an attorney as well as Fair Housing. I also hired a licensed mold inspector and the results were astounding. Toxic mold is throughout this apartment. The outcome of this law suit is favorable. The owners will have to pay all relocating costs which was filed with Fair Housing and also our attorney is filing a large sum of monetary damages in the court of law. Anyone that has health issues with mold should take action against any owner of rental property due to the owner/management’s neglect. Stand up and make a difference. Let slumlords know they can’t get away with such neglect.

Marilynn in Medical Lake, Washington

Our family moved here to Spokane, WA from Portland,Oregon area to specifically escape mold expecting that the weather was going to be like it was 50 years ago when my husband remembered it being dry and sunny almost all the time.

I have had to follow the most restricted anti-candida diet for years and years and when I realised that I was still having severe mold symptoms despite following the diet I expected we needed to have our house examined for mold. We had the ARMI dust samples done from Emsl and it came out as having a 397 count of Eurotium mold. I was put in touch with a toxicologist,who suggested that we still needed to contact an industrial hygienist to do a more thorough testing and get more specifics about what other type of mold that might be hidden as my symptoms were severe compared to the rest of my family.

According to the industrial hygienist and some googling I did it seemed that most of the mold was coming from our dirt crawl space and that my husband could fix the problem by overlapping 6ml plastic,laying piping and installing some type of fan underneath to draw the air out and then do a deep cleaning of the house. My husband will be starting this procedure after he finishes some other minor projects first so he won’t have to crawl unnecessarily on the plastic in the future. In the meantime I have been sleeping in a tent for at least a month and wearing safety glasses and a mask when I’m in the house and going to use a sauna to keep me going till we get everything taken care of as far as the house mold is concerned.

After discussing any other possibilities of further hidden mold the industrial hygienist said that doing thermal imaging which the toxicologist recommended would really soak us for a lot of money. He thought we should try taking of crawl space and see what happens.

Now we are trying to figure out where to go for a biotoxin inflammatory illness specialist for our biotoxin inflammatory symptoms as we realised I have been exposed for several past years in other water-damaged homes and we never made the connection before. But we live 1300 miles from the closest mold-recognised doctor and we do not want to switch doctors in the future in case we have to move to the desert. Since it will be very costly we also want to make sure the treatment will be worth it. We are not even sure if just going to a mold specialisr will be adequate to overcome our health issues while still living in a very moldy climate. Our circumstances do not permit a move currently. For the past two or three months we tormented over the dreaded possibility of thinking we didn’t have any choice but to have to move to the desert and desert our family and lose our house just because of our or mostly my mold poisoning.

We are now risking the possibility that a mold specialist treatment’s will allow us to live here a longer and also improve our quality of life beyond a survival level. I have contacted a couple of local doctor’s possibilities but haven’t heard back . At the same time I question that a local doctor is knowlegeable enough on how to treat biotoxin illness. I certainly cannot imagine living another year here in this location without some radical medical intervention. Since the crawl space will take at least two weeks to take care of and hopefully summer or late spring will be here it may be hard to tell what intervention is actually working. Thankyou for letting me share. I wish I had discovered this blog site sooner.


  • Where can I find a good doctor? The closest biotoxin specialist is in Santa Barbara but that is still 1300 miles away and is also in a very humid climate so we could probably never move there.
  • Does any doctor know how to interpret mold poisoning blood test results? I left a message for ‘real labs’ but have not heard back from them as well.
  • Do scratch tests do more harm than good? That is all my local M.D. could do for me. I am wondering if any other allergies like pollen may have masked or made my symptoms worse.
  • Has anyone ever had vcs screen testing done through Dr. Shoemaker and how did you get any definitive results for failed eye screen testing or tested positive for biotoxin inflammatory illness and how has this screen testing been of help to you?
  • Has anyone ever tried craniobiotics treatment or homeopathic treatment for biotoxin inflammatory illness? There is a specialist who does this hwo is in driving distance and done some and I have heard amazing testimonies but still find myself somewhat sceptical.
  • Has anyone overcome mold -poisoning or biotoxin inflammatory illness while remaining in a high humidity climate? If so, what did you do and would you recommend that to others?
  • I am wondering how much of my mold issues are from transporting non-porous items from previous homes and can non-porous items such as paintings be tested for mold?
  • Do any of the biotoxin specialists also do any dietary treatment?

Amy in Newburg, Missouri

A few weeks ago, I noticed that our kitchen floor was feeling strange, so my husband started investigating and found a major leak under the sink. In looking around, he realized there was black mold on the wall behind the sink and the water damage had spread through most of the kitchen floor. So, he took out the cabinets (which had mold on them), as well as the floor and sub-floor. We treated any remaining mold with bleach and kilz and started putting the kitchen back together. Well, he went up to the attic to run some wires for a new dishwasher and found the underside of the roof covered with mold. He’s thinking it’s probably in the insulation, and maybe the drywall- and who knows where else. We don’t know where to go from here. Insurance is telling us they don’t cover for mold. We called a company that said they would come out and remove it and work with the insurance company, but the guy has canceled on us twice now. We’re living with some friends (we have a 4 and 2 year old, as well as a 2 month old baby). My husband is a christian school teacher and we can’t even begin to be able to pay for correcting this problem. What are we facing here?? Losing our home and everything we own is my biggest fear right now. If anyone has any advice, we’d appreciate it. Thanks for this blog.

Pamela in Scottsdale, Arizona

I purchased a manufactured home in a 55 or older community. I paid cash, $35,000 and they jumped on it. As soon as I moved in I started having numerous problems. I had to put new tile in the kitchen twice and I also had to scrub with clorox (I  forgot the other product). I started getting sick all the time. Then, it happened in my bathroom. I pulled up the tile and found black mold. I had to do the same in there.

The real estate agent was well aware of these problems. Now after living here 3 years, I am on Social security Disability, I have breathing difficulties, and I had a brain aneurysm removed May of 2010. I feel like I have the flu every day with horrible headaches. I know there are not cut and dry facts on the damage mold may cause, yet I believe it is very damaging to ones health. The way I feel now tells me this.

I have no extra money to do anything. My income is one fourth of what it was when I was capable of working. I am getting worse every day and to be honest do not believe I will live much longer if in this house. I am depressed due to my energy level. I used to work out, always very active. Now sometimes I ache so bad I can not get out of bed. I am scared and no one will listen. I found out that most Doctors do not know much about mold and how it affects the body. Please, I am slowly dying, I am 53 years old and my body feels like I have had a horrible flu for about 3 years. I am stuck here because my health has become so bad I cannot work. I have noticed when I am out of here I have more energy. PLEASE SOMEONE LISTEN AND HELP ME. Is there not some way to get the real estate agent to take this house back? I have no doubt this house is full of black mold, yet no money to even test it. Thank you. I appreciate anyone that can help me.


  1. Do I have a case for suing the agent?
  2. Can I have him or the previous owners take this place back for what I paid. I have all receipts for the supplies, including the work I did myself.
  3. Is there any lawyer that will take this pro bono?

Mrs. McCretton in Lowell, MA

We moved to the home in question in September of 2008.

Less than a week after moving in the roof was leaking into the crawl space above our bedrooms. It then leaked through the ceiling onto our clock radio sitting on top of my husband’s dresser. He called the landlord and told her that the roof was leaking, she proceeded to tell him that the roof in fact was not leaking because a new roof was just put on two years ago. Nothing was done about it that time.

Our ceiling would only leak when it was windy and rainy outside. In Sept. of 2009 I decided to go back to school online to get my BA in psychology and eventually get my masters so I could work for the DCF and help abused and neglected children. On my birthday Sept. 23. 2009 my mom and brother went halves on a laptop for me so it would be easier for me to study and do my school work upstairs. I started school and continued to stay upstairs; I was doing great the first seven classes I received A’s and B’s, and then I became violently ill.

In the mean time my son was experiencing breathing problems and I had to take him to the emergency room at least twice. The first time was around Dec of 2009, he was experiencing stuffy nose, coughing and headaches, and he was prone to sinus infections. I had to take him to three different specialists and not one could find anything wrong; he had a CT and a MRI and both had negative results. I was at a loss and did not know what else to do for him. I have also had to take him to the emergency room because he could not breath well and they put him on a nebulizer.

In April of 2010 I informed my landlord that there was mold in the crawl space and it was affecting my son Christopher’s health. I was so busy with school and then on June 3, 2010 I became sick. It was all of a sudden, I was perfectly healthy before all this happened, I had started school and was receiving A’s and B’s. I had severe nausea all of the time and could not eat; the only thing that did not upset my stomach was candy bars or ice cream. I would eat one to two ice cream cones a night and about two candy bars. When I did eat; about an hour after having a meal, my fever would rise and my stomach would become very nauseas. Usually if you have nausea you cannot eat dairy products because they would curdle in your stomach. This would happen an hour after I ate, my stomach would feel like someone was kicking it and then the fever would spike.

I became very ill after having my second upper endoscopy and thought that it was the doctor’s fault. The low grade fevers continued and I started getting sick with a runny left nostril and then fever and severe nausea, diarrhea and night sweats. I thought I had the flu or some kind of virus. I was scheduled for an upper endoscopy and I went to the appointment but my esophagus was irritated and there was something on my esophagus that looked like a yeast infection but when tested it was negative. After the second upper endoscopy I became more ill and my stomach was killing me; I just could not eat and I also became very dehydrated both times I ended up in the hospital. I did not have the C-diff the first time I went into the hospital (which was soon after the endoscopy). The second time Doctor Tilson stretched my esophagus because he said it was scarred and was narrow. I ended up in the hospital which was one week later they detected the C-diff. I ended up in the hospital twice. The second endoscopy pushed the mold in my esophagus into my stomach, making me violently ill. I also believe that this contributed to the C-diff. My doctor prescribed an anti-biotic. I did not realize but my doctor was treating a bacterial infection when it was fungal. The second time I entered the hospital was July 31, 2010 with a temperature of 102.0.

On Aug. 1st 2010 I had exploratory surgery done and had my gall bladder and appendix removed. It took me a very long time to recover from this surgery. I had severe pain in my stomach like someone was stabbing me about six different places and then a stinging sensation like open wounds. Every time I was in the hospital; my appetite was good, I could breathe better and felt a little better except the fevers did not go away. I left the hospital both times with a low grade fever of around 99.5. Once I returned home and was up in my bedroom to recover, I could not eat again and was feeling almost as bad as when this whole thing started. I still did not feel fully recovered because a low grade fever would start.

In Sept. of 2010 my husband talked to the landlord and expressed his concern for the mold, her husband went into the crawl space and came back out and said we will let it dry out. A piece of plaster had fallen off the ceiling of my son’s closet and he smelled a musty smell. I had expressed my concern for that hole and she said it did not look bad. When she finally filled it on February 27, 2011, she expressed to my son that the hole was bigger and deeper than she thought.

On Feb. 3rd I expressed to my landlord I needed someone right away to test this apartment for the presence of mold. I expressed how ill I was and I felt that the cause of everything was mold. I had spent all my time upstairs going to school and then when I became sick, I was up there all the time. I would often close the vent in the floor and have my bedroom door closed. I have a commode that my mother got me because I was too weak to go down stairs. On this same day the next door neighbor told her his roof was leaking also. The roof was not taken care of until the health inspector made her and it was finally done the middle of March of this year.

My husband talked to her the night after on the 4th and she said she had been waiting two hours for someone to call her back. I did not feel that she new the importance of this or that all of our health was at risk I emailed the health inspector and she came over on the seventh of February. She did not have anything to test for mold and if she could not see it then she could not write it up. But she found a couple of other violations and wrote her up on them. My landlord was angry that I went behind her back and called the health inspector. I explained how important our health is and I am scared. That did not matter to her. She had told us then that she wanted us to leave. She did not want to spend the money on the person who came and tested. She only wanted the mold tested but he had to test for carbon monoxide and oxygen level. That was fine. I was at a hotel at the time of the testing.

The man came in and tested and my husband showed him where it had been leaking in our bedroom and he placed the tool on top of the clock radio on my husband’s dresser and it read 633 and the tester said that 50 was high. In the wake of these results, my landlord did not offer or even mention putting us up anywhere until the mold was taken care of which by her standards is covering it up. She knew how sick I had been and still wanted to do everything herself to save money instead of hiring someone to come in and move our furniture in the bedrooms to get rid of the problem that is making me sick.

I have asthma now and never had asthma before, I have a hard time breathing I do not have any idea as to what is affecting me whether the mold itself or mycotoxins it is giving out from the plaster or the wood. Any chemicals in these I am breathing. It is affecting my lungs. I still receive brain fogs and have a hard time with short term memory. I cannot breathe well and this is the first time I have not been able to breath right. I have never had anything wrong with my lungs; I have very bad fatigue and I am tired all of the time from the moment I awake. I recently had the same breathing test done and my doctor said for someone who smokes my lungs tested great.

She has owned apartments for thirteen years and will not do things because she fears her home owners insurance will go up. I just wonder how many other buildings have this problem because they let things go for so long so that their home owners will not go up.

My short term memory is almost gone, I have great long term memory, My ADD is very bad, I cannot think straight half of the time. My mind just races all the time. I am having such a hard time in school with concentration, when the weather is warm and we open the windows my concentration is so much better. It is only bad being closed up here without any windows open, even though they all leak.

I have been sleeping in my living room since February 15, 2011, when I found out for sure that there was mold and what I thought was true. We all had suffered respiratory problems because of this. It was not just me anymore; it was also Pete and Christopher. I just had it worse because I stayed in my bedroom the longest period of time. It has nothing to do with the mold being there; it is the quantity of mold that is there causing the problem. It just has to be above both our bedrooms.

This was like this before we moved in and the roof leaked before we moved in. Not too long after moving in is; less than a week it leaked into our bedroom.

The lawyer I hired was useless, but I have been contacted by an insurance adjuster representing her homeowners insurance and gave him all of my medical records I had and the pictures of the crawl space as I have everything on CD anyway.. He took pictures and could not believe they just let it dry out without any ventilation. I want this place torn apart and all the mold gone so the next unsuspecting people moving in will not become as ill as I got. This was more than an allergic reaction, it had a lot to do whatever the mold was attached to.

Bleach does not work for mold, it will hide it until it resurfaces but will not kill it. It is only a band aid. Anything that the mold is attached to should be removed and replaced. If this roof ever leaks again the same thing will happen and someone else may not be as lucky as I was and may die from it.


My landlord was negligent and knew about the mold before we moved in, her husband used to be a builder. Can I bring criminal charges against her? How about the Consumer protection act?

Jackie in New York

I live in a 3 bedroom house. The room next door to me had approximately 10 to 20 sq feet of mold damage, 4 or 5 visible minor spores and one larger one. I have the door duc taped but there were a couple other small spots though out the house and they have been smelling the stale smell and I have been possibly breathing in unseen spores. I don’t know if I am paranoid or if this tingling in my throat and cough is from this. I am 22 years old smoker, active, average immune system.


  1. Can mold enter my system, cause any lung or heart disorder, or kill me within a week of the explained amount of exposure?
  2. Do I need to replace all sheetrock in the room, or just around damage ?
  3. What surfaces can and can’t bleach kill mold on?
  4. What few steps can I take and what materials can I use for cleaning with bleach and efficiently killing all mold?
  5. My contact lenses have been more dry and difficult to remove, could this be related?
  6. Are there any spores in my room next door or in the hallway?

Sophia in Austin, Texas

We were in a house with mold. After moving out, we made the mistake of bringing all of our things with us. Now we have gotten rid of all of our clothes and furniture, but it seems that we may have gotten it in our carpet. There seems to be just enough in the house that we are still not feeling well. I am on many supplements and detox things to clear this out.


Does anyone have any experience with this? If you detox it out of your body, it seems to then get on the bedding and towels. Is it still active at this point?

Corey in Peabody, MA

I moved in with my mother last september. After 7 months of living I recently found out it is an illegal apartment and also has black mold. I put most of my money in this apartment so I’m now broke. I have to be out in a couple weeks now and no place to stay. Do I have a case at all?

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